1 00:00:29,350 --> 00:00:26,220 [Music] 2 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:29,360 hi everybody Micah Hanks here glad to be 3 00:00:33,370 --> 00:00:31,490 a part of this year's all the strange 4 00:00:35,260 --> 00:00:33,380 event hopefully it'll be the first of 5 00:00:37,450 --> 00:00:35,270 many and so right here at the outset I 6 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:37,460 just want to thank Jason for getting us 7 00:00:42,460 --> 00:00:40,370 all together and making this happen I'm 8 00:00:44,740 --> 00:00:42,470 afraid maybe that online events are 9 00:00:47,170 --> 00:00:44,750 gonna become the new norm at least for a 10 00:00:48,460 --> 00:00:47,180 while and so what better way first all 11 00:00:50,110 --> 00:00:48,470 get together but let's dive right into 12 00:00:51,340 --> 00:00:50,120 things because again for those who may 13 00:00:54,070 --> 00:00:51,350 have followed my work or know who I am 14 00:00:57,190 --> 00:00:54,080 again I'm probably best known for 15 00:01:00,160 --> 00:00:57,200 writing about UFOs and doing podcasting 16 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:00,170 about that for the last decade or so but 17 00:01:04,990 --> 00:01:02,690 really for as long really as I can 18 00:01:07,540 --> 00:01:05,000 remember I have been fascinated with the 19 00:01:08,950 --> 00:01:07,550 idea of Sasquatch this is an interest 20 00:01:11,620 --> 00:01:08,960 that goes all the way back to childhood 21 00:01:13,690 --> 00:01:11,630 for me although with time as I have 22 00:01:16,060 --> 00:01:13,700 continued to follow it and I have become 23 00:01:18,580 --> 00:01:16,070 more more scientifically inclined it's 24 00:01:19,930 --> 00:01:18,590 really become an issue for me to try and 25 00:01:22,630 --> 00:01:19,940 bring a scientific and historical 26 00:01:24,250 --> 00:01:22,640 approach to the study of topics like 27 00:01:26,980 --> 00:01:24,260 Sasquatch and the same applies to things 28 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:26,990 like UFOs too and so today I really want 29 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:29,810 to try and look at both some of the 30 00:01:34,090 --> 00:01:31,570 ethnological and the anthropological 31 00:01:36,190 --> 00:01:34,100 perspectives in terms of the idea of 32 00:01:39,070 --> 00:01:36,200 Sasquatch in North America and also 33 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:39,080 whether or not there is any evidence in 34 00:01:41,980 --> 00:01:40,370 the historical record for these 35 00:01:43,870 --> 00:01:41,990 creatures one of the arguments against 36 00:01:46,150 --> 00:01:43,880 their existence that is often made is 37 00:01:47,980 --> 00:01:46,160 well in addition to there not being 38 00:01:49,330 --> 00:01:47,990 enough physical evidence there would 39 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:49,340 have to be evidence in the historical 40 00:01:53,650 --> 00:01:51,170 record and there simply isn't any so 41 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:53,660 Sasquatch couldn't exist well I actually 42 00:01:56,710 --> 00:01:55,130 difference so today we're going to look 43 00:01:58,810 --> 00:01:56,720 at some of the historical evidence that 44 00:02:01,210 --> 00:01:58,820 I think may actually support the 45 00:02:02,650 --> 00:02:01,220 existence of creatures like this and so 46 00:02:05,410 --> 00:02:02,660 I want to break this down into 47 00:02:08,290 --> 00:02:05,420 essentially a couple of areas we'll look 48 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:08,300 at indigenous American traditions and 49 00:02:13,449 --> 00:02:11,450 some which I think may actually relate 50 00:02:15,490 --> 00:02:13,459 to what we know today is Sasquatch and 51 00:02:17,470 --> 00:02:15,500 then historical accounts beginning in 52 00:02:20,290 --> 00:02:17,480 the 19th century and moving on into the 53 00:02:22,780 --> 00:02:20,300 early 20th century that I think are very 54 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:22,790 noteworthy in terms of early accounts 55 00:02:26,770 --> 00:02:24,290 that explicitly describe large 56 00:02:29,110 --> 00:02:26,780 anthropoid Apes in America so let's dig 57 00:02:31,449 --> 00:02:29,120 in going to the slides right here where 58 00:02:34,630 --> 00:02:31,459 I think I'd like to start today is with 59 00:02:36,460 --> 00:02:34,640 indigenous American folklore which I've 60 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:36,470 broken down into three categories the 61 00:02:42,089 --> 00:02:39,010 first one deals with a group of 62 00:02:44,069 --> 00:02:42,099 arge arctic hominoids that exists in 63 00:02:45,899 --> 00:02:44,079 many different indigenous American 64 00:02:47,580 --> 00:02:45,909 traditions they have different names as 65 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:47,590 well the one we will use today is the 66 00:02:51,149 --> 00:02:48,250 Tor net 67 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:51,159 the second group involves legends about 68 00:02:55,530 --> 00:02:53,890 cannibals and Giants an area where we 69 00:02:57,390 --> 00:02:55,540 really have to tread carefully because I 70 00:03:00,330 --> 00:02:57,400 don't think all of those sorts of 71 00:03:02,309 --> 00:03:00,340 legends necessarily apply to what we're 72 00:03:03,809 --> 00:03:02,319 talking about today Sasquatch which 73 00:03:07,140 --> 00:03:03,819 we'll discuss a little further later and 74 00:03:09,390 --> 00:03:07,150 then the final group involves references 75 00:03:12,690 --> 00:03:09,400 to beings and Native American folklore 76 00:03:16,470 --> 00:03:12,700 which to me do sound very much like our 77 00:03:18,750 --> 00:03:16,480 modern concept of Sasquatch and really I 78 00:03:20,879 --> 00:03:18,760 think it's always a wise idea to tread 79 00:03:23,670 --> 00:03:20,889 lightly and always proceed with caution 80 00:03:25,740 --> 00:03:23,680 when it comes to interpretation of myths 81 00:03:27,420 --> 00:03:25,750 and folklore but in some of the 82 00:03:28,740 --> 00:03:27,430 instances as you'll see I also think 83 00:03:30,750 --> 00:03:28,750 that there's a pretty good case to be 84 00:03:33,539 --> 00:03:30,760 made that some of these myths and 85 00:03:36,149 --> 00:03:33,549 traditions do represent knowledge of an 86 00:03:37,949 --> 00:03:36,159 extant species and really plenty more 87 00:03:39,839 --> 00:03:37,959 could be said about what folklorists do 88 00:03:42,509 --> 00:03:39,849 how they do it the things they try to 89 00:03:44,189 --> 00:03:42,519 avoid but for our purposes here I just 90 00:03:45,990 --> 00:03:44,199 want to offer a couple of quotes before 91 00:03:47,430 --> 00:03:46,000 we get into some of these myths and the 92 00:03:50,550 --> 00:03:47,440 first actually comes not from a 93 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:50,560 folklorist but from a physicist William 94 00:03:55,199 --> 00:03:52,690 R Corliss who's been a real influence on 95 00:03:57,599 --> 00:03:55,209 my own work and a guy who throughout his 96 00:03:59,580 --> 00:03:57,609 life was a proponent of the scientific 97 00:04:01,379 --> 00:03:59,590 study of the anomalous and on the 98 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:01,389 subject of myths and legends Corliss 99 00:04:05,670 --> 00:04:03,370 wrote that quote when myths and legends 100 00:04:08,309 --> 00:04:05,680 are persistent and nearly universal they 101 00:04:10,589 --> 00:04:08,319 may have some factual substance true one 102 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:10,599 has no stone artifact in hand or ancient 103 00:04:15,030 --> 00:04:12,730 skull in a museum tray to study but 104 00:04:16,890 --> 00:04:15,040 myths may contain intentional messages 105 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:16,900 propagated throughout the ages by word 106 00:04:21,569 --> 00:04:19,690 of mouth distortion exaggeration and 107 00:04:23,670 --> 00:04:21,579 outright fabrication are hazards to be 108 00:04:25,550 --> 00:04:23,680 expected as is the possibility of 109 00:04:28,379 --> 00:04:25,560 independent invention of similar stories 110 00:04:30,450 --> 00:04:28,389 but all Sciences have their pitfalls and 111 00:04:32,969 --> 00:04:30,460 stones and bones are not free of 112 00:04:34,589 --> 00:04:32,979 contention the other quote I'd like to 113 00:04:36,930 --> 00:04:34,599 share right here at the outset is from 114 00:04:38,670 --> 00:04:36,940 historian Benjamin Olsen who writes that 115 00:04:40,890 --> 00:04:38,680 quote the concept of a much more 116 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:40,900 traditional organic mode of knowledge 117 00:04:44,370 --> 00:04:42,610 transmission is important to the 118 00:04:46,500 --> 00:04:44,380 historian because it means that one must 119 00:04:49,170 --> 00:04:46,510 look at myths and other kinds of stories 120 00:04:50,820 --> 00:04:49,180 and narratives in a new way since those 121 00:04:52,530 --> 00:04:50,830 were the bearers of knowledge for far 122 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:52,540 longer than our present methods of 123 00:04:57,060 --> 00:04:54,730 formal pedagogy textbooks and 124 00:04:58,860 --> 00:04:57,070 instruction manuals he goes on to say 125 00:05:01,290 --> 00:04:58,870 early technical or scientific knowledge 126 00:05:03,870 --> 00:05:01,300 is encoded in myth folklore epic or 127 00:05:05,940 --> 00:05:03,880 ritual for the purposes of preservation 128 00:05:07,650 --> 00:05:05,950 and transmission but then the myth 129 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:07,660 folklore epic or ritual becomes 130 00:05:12,330 --> 00:05:10,210 separated from its content the mode of 131 00:05:15,060 --> 00:05:12,340 transmission survives but the content is 132 00:05:17,250 --> 00:05:15,070 lost in the myth folklore or epic comes 133 00:05:19,410 --> 00:05:17,260 to be seen as pure fiction and the 134 00:05:21,660 --> 00:05:19,420 ritual continues to be engaged in but 135 00:05:23,190 --> 00:05:21,670 empty of meaning sometimes this can 136 00:05:25,470 --> 00:05:23,200 happen even to an archaeological site 137 00:05:27,540 --> 00:05:25,480 for example the ritual surrounding 138 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:27,550 Stonehenge has become lost and the 139 00:05:32,580 --> 00:05:29,410 meaning of the structure itself is now 140 00:05:34,020 --> 00:05:32,590 unclear so that ends this quote and even 141 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:34,030 though he is applying that in the 142 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:35,890 example he gives to an archaeological 143 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:38,770 site here I think it also remains true 144 00:05:42,540 --> 00:05:40,690 that while we may not have the full 145 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:42,550 story parts of that may have been lost 146 00:05:47,070 --> 00:05:44,890 to time some of the myths and stories 147 00:05:48,780 --> 00:05:47,080 we'll look at may nonetheless convey 148 00:05:50,070 --> 00:05:48,790 some important information that science 149 00:05:52,230 --> 00:05:50,080 really should pay attention to 150 00:05:54,930 --> 00:05:52,240 so we'll get over to the legends now I 151 00:05:58,230 --> 00:05:54,940 want to start with a excerpt by the 152 00:06:01,050 --> 00:05:58,240 legendary ethnologist Franz Boas from 153 00:06:04,230 --> 00:06:01,060 his book the central Eskimo and this was 154 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:04,240 published in 1888 and he gives us the 155 00:06:09,420 --> 00:06:06,010 following classic account as I call it 156 00:06:10,770 --> 00:06:09,430 about these large hominids that existed 157 00:06:13,020 --> 00:06:10,780 in the northern regions known as the 158 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:13,030 tore net and he writes in olden times 159 00:06:16,230 --> 00:06:14,770 the Inuit were not the only inhabitants 160 00:06:18,450 --> 00:06:16,240 of the country in which they live at the 161 00:06:20,370 --> 00:06:18,460 present time another tribe similar to 162 00:06:22,050 --> 00:06:20,380 them shared their hunting ground but 163 00:06:24,090 --> 00:06:22,060 they were on good terms both tribes 164 00:06:25,890 --> 00:06:24,100 living in harmony in the villages the 165 00:06:29,310 --> 00:06:25,900 toilet were much taller than the Inuit 166 00:06:31,740 --> 00:06:29,320 and had very long arms and legs almost 167 00:06:33,450 --> 00:06:31,750 all of them were blear-eyed they were 168 00:06:35,670 --> 00:06:33,460 extremely strong and could lift large 169 00:06:37,980 --> 00:06:35,680 boulders which were by far too heavy for 170 00:06:39,660 --> 00:06:37,990 the Inuit but even the Inuit of that 171 00:06:41,940 --> 00:06:39,670 time were much stronger than those of 172 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:41,950 today and some large stones are shown on 173 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:43,330 the plain of Mill Jack Wien in 174 00:06:47,850 --> 00:06:46,090 Cumberland sound with which the ancient 175 00:06:50,190 --> 00:06:47,860 Inuit used to play throwing them great 176 00:06:51,870 --> 00:06:50,200 distances even the strongest men of the 177 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:51,880 present generations are scarcely able to 178 00:06:56,850 --> 00:06:53,890 lift them much less to swing them or 179 00:06:58,230 --> 00:06:56,860 throw them any distance Boas goes on to 180 00:06:58,860 --> 00:06:58,240 describe the way that the tour net 181 00:07:00,750 --> 00:06:58,870 dressed 182 00:07:03,210 --> 00:07:00,760 talking about the long coats of deerskin 183 00:07:05,610 --> 00:07:03,220 that they wore and quite obviously the 184 00:07:06,330 --> 00:07:05,620 Sasquatch as we know it today is not 185 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:06,340 something that is 186 00:07:11,850 --> 00:07:08,650 generally best known for his style of 187 00:07:14,129 --> 00:07:11,860 clothing and in my opinion these reports 188 00:07:16,469 --> 00:07:14,139 actually do not describe the Sasquatch 189 00:07:18,750 --> 00:07:16,479 that we're looking for evidence for and 190 00:07:21,379 --> 00:07:18,760 so my reason for bringing this to the 191 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:21,389 table as we begin the analysis of 192 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:24,130 indigenous American folklore really 193 00:07:29,100 --> 00:07:27,250 takes us back to paleoanthropology as I 194 00:07:31,620 --> 00:07:29,110 already mentioned the single species 195 00:07:34,140 --> 00:07:31,630 hypothesis that was once so popular 196 00:07:36,110 --> 00:07:34,150 among anthropologists really is no 197 00:07:38,850 --> 00:07:36,120 longer considered the most viable 198 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:38,860 hypothesis and we have an abundance of 199 00:07:43,170 --> 00:07:41,290 evidence now that modern homo sapiens 200 00:07:46,350 --> 00:07:43,180 sapiens actually did live alongside 201 00:07:48,750 --> 00:07:46,360 Neanderthals as well as Denisovans and 202 00:07:51,210 --> 00:07:48,760 let's not forget in terms of the ghost 203 00:07:54,060 --> 00:07:51,220 DNA I referenced earlier there also 204 00:07:56,700 --> 00:07:54,070 unrecognized species for which we find 205 00:07:57,990 --> 00:07:56,710 genetic traces in our own modern DNA but 206 00:08:00,029 --> 00:07:58,000 which we haven't identified in the 207 00:08:02,490 --> 00:08:00,039 fossil record so back in the Pleistocene 208 00:08:04,610 --> 00:08:02,500 during the last ice age there were in 209 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:04,620 fact several different species that 210 00:08:09,090 --> 00:08:07,690 coexisted and for this reason as more 211 00:08:11,820 --> 00:08:09,100 and more information has begun to emerge 212 00:08:13,710 --> 00:08:11,830 about this some archeologists have 213 00:08:16,230 --> 00:08:13,720 decided to begin their search for 214 00:08:18,450 --> 00:08:16,240 answers about the Sasquatch mystery with 215 00:08:20,430 --> 00:08:18,460 those known species back in 1983 216 00:08:22,529 --> 00:08:20,440 archaeologist Myra Shaklee wrote a 217 00:08:25,050 --> 00:08:22,539 fantastic book called still living and 218 00:08:27,060 --> 00:08:25,060 as the name would seem to imply she was 219 00:08:29,820 --> 00:08:27,070 looking at the possibility especially in 220 00:08:32,250 --> 00:08:29,830 modern Russia and parts of Eurasia at 221 00:08:34,409 --> 00:08:32,260 whether or not some members of the 222 00:08:37,589 --> 00:08:34,419 Neanderthal species might have stuck 223 00:08:39,570 --> 00:08:37,599 around until recent times and of course 224 00:08:42,149 --> 00:08:39,580 when she wrote that book we didn't know 225 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:42,159 yet about the Denisovans in the Altai of 226 00:08:45,780 --> 00:08:43,930 Russia we didn't know about the genetic 227 00:08:48,090 --> 00:08:45,790 studies that would follow decades later 228 00:08:49,829 --> 00:08:48,100 that would show other examples which we 229 00:08:51,990 --> 00:08:49,839 haven't even identified yet we didn't 230 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:52,000 know about Homo floresiensis down there 231 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:53,890 on the island of Flores the so-called 232 00:08:58,470 --> 00:08:56,170 hobbits down there which some actually 233 00:09:00,720 --> 00:08:58,480 argue may be more closely related to a 234 00:09:02,579 --> 00:09:00,730 species like Homo erectus but we won't 235 00:09:05,100 --> 00:09:02,589 get into that right now the point is at 236 00:09:07,110 --> 00:09:05,110 the time that Shaklee wrote her book she 237 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:07,120 was exploring or I should say building a 238 00:09:12,210 --> 00:09:09,610 hypothesis around what was known in 239 00:09:14,310 --> 00:09:12,220 science at that time but nowadays we've 240 00:09:16,380 --> 00:09:14,320 discovered other options and we have a 241 00:09:18,180 --> 00:09:16,390 lot more to work with and so coming back 242 00:09:19,769 --> 00:09:18,190 to the toilet in these indigenous 243 00:09:22,050 --> 00:09:19,779 traditions 244 00:09:24,749 --> 00:09:22,060 if we were to say that the Neanderthal 245 00:09:27,210 --> 00:09:24,759 or the Denisovans or another group not 246 00:09:28,860 --> 00:09:27,220 only persisted far longer than we 247 00:09:31,350 --> 00:09:28,870 expected but might have even made their 248 00:09:32,759 --> 00:09:31,360 way across the bering land bridge toward 249 00:09:34,739 --> 00:09:32,769 the end of the Pleistocene or at some 250 00:09:37,069 --> 00:09:34,749 point and that even a small number of 251 00:09:40,530 --> 00:09:37,079 them cohabitated for some time alongside 252 00:09:43,079 --> 00:09:40,540 humans in north america these legends of 253 00:09:45,619 --> 00:09:43,089 the so-called toilet might make more 254 00:09:48,900 --> 00:09:45,629 sense and further if there had been 255 00:09:51,900 --> 00:09:48,910 cousins to humanity that coexisted long 256 00:09:53,790 --> 00:09:51,910 early indigenous Americans perhaps we 257 00:09:56,220 --> 00:09:53,800 shouldn't rule out the possibility that 258 00:09:57,689 --> 00:09:56,230 they weren't the only cousins that were 259 00:09:59,910 --> 00:09:57,699 living in the northernmost climes 260 00:10:02,999 --> 00:09:59,920 perhaps there were or even still are 261 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:03,009 other species to be considered now that 262 00:10:07,259 --> 00:10:04,689 brings us to our second group here which 263 00:10:08,850 --> 00:10:07,269 is cannibals Giants and another term 264 00:10:11,730 --> 00:10:08,860 that we're gonna look at in this portion 265 00:10:13,410 --> 00:10:11,740 of the talk is the Windigo or the Witco 266 00:10:15,929 --> 00:10:13,420 as they are known in different 267 00:10:18,150 --> 00:10:15,939 indigenous american groups the Windigo 268 00:10:19,670 --> 00:10:18,160 actually represents cannibalism 269 00:10:22,860 --> 00:10:19,680 essentially in the ethnological 270 00:10:25,710 --> 00:10:22,870 interpretation of what a Windigo is is 271 00:10:28,319 --> 00:10:25,720 essentially a cultural mythology that is 272 00:10:30,990 --> 00:10:28,329 story built on to the horrors of 273 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:31,000 cannibalism which helps serve in effect 274 00:10:36,090 --> 00:10:33,970 is a sort of preventative against it but 275 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:36,100 if we look at Native American legends of 276 00:10:39,179 --> 00:10:37,689 giants there are a variety of different 277 00:10:42,030 --> 00:10:39,189 kinds that show up sometimes there are 278 00:10:44,850 --> 00:10:42,040 just giant humans sometimes there are 279 00:10:46,889 --> 00:10:44,860 what are called stone giants some Giants 280 00:10:49,499 --> 00:10:46,899 are described as having scales some are 281 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:49,509 described as having several heads and if 282 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:51,610 we look at all the different shapes and 283 00:10:56,189 --> 00:10:53,850 the different forms that Giants take in 284 00:10:57,960 --> 00:10:56,199 indigenous mythology I think it would 285 00:11:00,420 --> 00:10:57,970 really be a stretch to try and say that 286 00:11:02,850 --> 00:11:00,430 every story involving a giant is 287 00:11:04,199 --> 00:11:02,860 actually a story about a sasquatch I 288 00:11:06,449 --> 00:11:04,209 really actually don't think that's the 289 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:06,459 case at all nor do I think that all 290 00:11:10,230 --> 00:11:08,490 stories of windigos or cannibals 291 00:11:12,629 --> 00:11:10,240 necessarily have anything to do with 292 00:11:14,759 --> 00:11:12,639 Sasquatch however there are some 293 00:11:17,939 --> 00:11:14,769 instances I think where those 294 00:11:19,590 --> 00:11:17,949 connections should be explored based on 295 00:11:22,519 --> 00:11:19,600 descriptions that are given one example 296 00:11:26,129 --> 00:11:22,529 that comes to mind is Joseph Egan ARDS 297 00:11:28,829 --> 00:11:26,139 article from back in 1930 that appeared 298 00:11:30,869 --> 00:11:28,839 in the journal primitive man and this 299 00:11:33,510 --> 00:11:30,879 was titled Witek Oh among the Taytay de 300 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:33,520 boules and he's talking about a cow 301 00:11:37,710 --> 00:11:36,490 fornia indigenous american group who 302 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:37,720 have a number of different traditions 303 00:11:41,340 --> 00:11:40,210 about the Witek oh and i want you to 304 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:41,350 keep in mind as we're going through 305 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:44,530 these legends as i give you the date of 306 00:11:47,940 --> 00:11:46,450 publication you'll note that most of 307 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:47,950 these are from the early part of the 308 00:11:49,830 --> 00:11:49,090 last century that's going to be 309 00:11:51,090 --> 00:11:49,840 significant 310 00:11:52,590 --> 00:11:51,100 a little later when we start getting 311 00:11:55,590 --> 00:11:52,600 into historical accounts that may 312 00:11:57,180 --> 00:11:55,600 describe sasquatch but Guignard gives us 313 00:11:59,400 --> 00:11:57,190 the following account of the whitaker 314 00:12:01,560 --> 00:11:59,410 according to the tato de boules and this 315 00:12:04,100 --> 00:12:01,570 being an Algonquin speaking people of 316 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:04,110 the upper st. Marys River in Quebec and 317 00:12:07,950 --> 00:12:06,490 he describes the which ago is their most 318 00:12:10,470 --> 00:12:07,960 famous monster he says they've never 319 00:12:12,450 --> 00:12:10,480 been numerous at most one or two of them 320 00:12:14,490 --> 00:12:12,460 wander around the country and this only 321 00:12:16,500 --> 00:12:14,500 from time to time sometimes there are 322 00:12:19,050 --> 00:12:16,510 none around for many years according to 323 00:12:21,420 --> 00:12:19,060 the terrible a the which--it cows were 324 00:12:23,190 --> 00:12:21,430 people possessed with the devil but in 325 00:12:25,230 --> 00:12:23,200 all cases before becoming Witek owes 326 00:12:27,870 --> 00:12:25,240 these possessed individuals had been 327 00:12:30,450 --> 00:12:27,880 powerful jean lures terrible and 328 00:12:32,610 --> 00:12:30,460 ferocious sorcerers he goes on to talk 329 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:32,620 about how they will fight one another to 330 00:12:35,940 --> 00:12:34,210 the death if they ever meet they are 331 00:12:38,070 --> 00:12:35,950 solitary and they always travel the 332 00:12:39,930 --> 00:12:38,080 country by themselves he says the 333 00:12:41,610 --> 00:12:39,940 whitaker wore no clothing summer and 334 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:41,620 winter he went naked and he never 335 00:12:46,650 --> 00:12:44,530 suffered cold he goes on to also say the 336 00:12:48,990 --> 00:12:46,660 widow ko had no lips and that 337 00:12:51,300 --> 00:12:49,000 essentially it was just a mouth with 338 00:12:52,710 --> 00:12:51,310 teeth barred all the time now that 339 00:12:54,900 --> 00:12:52,720 doesn't sound very much like a sasquatch 340 00:12:57,990 --> 00:12:54,910 does it again we should really be 341 00:13:00,300 --> 00:12:58,000 careful in interpreting every myth or 342 00:13:02,940 --> 00:13:00,310 legend as being evidence of Sasquatch 343 00:13:05,220 --> 00:13:02,950 but at this point Denard's narrative 344 00:13:08,420 --> 00:13:05,230 begins to shift a little and it starts 345 00:13:11,340 --> 00:13:08,430 giving us some very interesting details 346 00:13:13,590 --> 00:13:11,350 he mentions similar to the legends about 347 00:13:15,570 --> 00:13:13,600 the Tor net being blear-eyed or 348 00:13:16,950 --> 00:13:15,580 presumably meaning that they had red 349 00:13:17,930 --> 00:13:16,960 eyes or eyes that looked as though 350 00:13:20,430 --> 00:13:17,940 they'd been crying 351 00:13:22,740 --> 00:13:20,440 here Guignard reports that the widgett 352 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:22,750 Co has eyes that were big and rolled in 353 00:13:27,990 --> 00:13:25,170 blood there was something like owls eyes 354 00:13:31,530 --> 00:13:28,000 which is also interesting because in 355 00:13:33,870 --> 00:13:31,540 certain American Indian legends the 356 00:13:35,820 --> 00:13:33,880 Sasquatch or presumed creature that some 357 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:35,830 associate with Sasquatch is actually 358 00:13:40,110 --> 00:13:38,890 referred to as the owl woman this could 359 00:13:42,780 --> 00:13:40,120 have something to do with the appearance 360 00:13:44,730 --> 00:13:42,790 of the eyes Guignard also describes that 361 00:13:47,100 --> 00:13:44,740 the feet of the Whitacre were extremely 362 00:13:47,369 --> 00:13:47,110 long although strangely he says that the 363 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:47,379 track 364 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:48,970 that they leave only appear to have one 365 00:13:54,359 --> 00:13:51,970 large toe he says the voice of the widow 366 00:13:56,759 --> 00:13:54,369 goes were strident and frightful and 367 00:13:58,559 --> 00:13:56,769 more reverberating than thunder the 368 00:14:00,839 --> 00:13:58,569 sound of his voice was a long drawn-out 369 00:14:03,029 --> 00:14:00,849 when accompanied by fearful howls and 370 00:14:05,189 --> 00:14:03,039 with those howls in mind I would 371 00:14:07,889 --> 00:14:05,199 actually like to interject at this point 372 00:14:10,199 --> 00:14:07,899 a bit of audio of a purported sasquatch 373 00:14:13,999 --> 00:14:10,209 howl that was recorded on Vancouver 374 00:14:18,059 --> 00:14:17,579 so there you have an alleged sasquatch 375 00:14:23,069 --> 00:14:18,069 howl 376 00:14:24,869 --> 00:14:23,079 that cannot be identified for all we 377 00:14:26,399 --> 00:14:24,879 know it could be a sasquatch hunter 378 00:14:28,169 --> 00:14:26,409 calling to Sasquatch rather than 379 00:14:30,749 --> 00:14:28,179 actually being a sasquatch but that how 380 00:14:32,039 --> 00:14:30,759 you just heard according to some is the 381 00:14:33,839 --> 00:14:32,049 sort of sound that they make and that 382 00:14:35,219 --> 00:14:33,849 seems to actually match the account in 383 00:14:37,469 --> 00:14:35,229 this legend but now this is one of the 384 00:14:41,849 --> 00:14:37,479 most interesting parts in the account 385 00:14:43,679 --> 00:14:41,859 Guignard gives us he says also that the 386 00:14:46,409 --> 00:14:43,689 food the way to KO ate was rotten wood 387 00:14:48,179 --> 00:14:46,419 swamp moss mushrooms corpses and human 388 00:14:50,669 --> 00:14:48,189 flesh well that's natural since windigos 389 00:14:53,219 --> 00:14:50,679 are believed to be cannibals right but 390 00:14:55,679 --> 00:14:53,229 he also says when a widow happened upon 391 00:14:57,329 --> 00:14:55,689 the trail of anyone he waited until 392 00:15:00,179 --> 00:14:57,339 darkness fell to go eat the luckless 393 00:15:03,029 --> 00:15:00,189 victim when the widow had arrived close 394 00:15:05,819 --> 00:15:03,039 to the tent of his victim his heart beat 395 00:15:08,639 --> 00:15:05,829 twice with joy upon his breast making a 396 00:15:12,090 --> 00:15:08,649 sound like that which grouse make when 397 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:12,100 they drum now there are a lot of 398 00:15:18,689 --> 00:15:15,970 references to the idea of Sasquatch or 399 00:15:21,289 --> 00:15:18,699 windigos and the various cultural 400 00:15:25,619 --> 00:15:21,299 variants in different myths and folklore 401 00:15:27,419 --> 00:15:25,629 making a sound similar to a grouse and a 402 00:15:30,359 --> 00:15:27,429 lot of researchers have interpreted that 403 00:15:32,159 --> 00:15:30,369 to mean the whistling sound or the call 404 00:15:34,679 --> 00:15:32,169 a grouse makes but actually if you've 405 00:15:35,759 --> 00:15:34,689 ever watched a grouse in the forest they 406 00:15:37,229 --> 00:15:35,769 do what's called drumming where they 407 00:15:38,669 --> 00:15:37,239 beat their wings very quickly and it 408 00:15:40,859 --> 00:15:38,679 sounds almost like a little drumroll 409 00:15:42,689 --> 00:15:40,869 you might also liken that to the sound 410 00:15:45,179 --> 00:15:42,699 that great apes make when they beat 411 00:15:47,369 --> 00:15:45,189 their chests and in fact a similar 412 00:15:49,769 --> 00:15:47,379 description appears of all places in a 413 00:15:52,619 --> 00:15:49,779 book called the curve of time which was 414 00:15:55,259 --> 00:15:52,629 written by M Wiley Blanchett I think the 415 00:15:57,419 --> 00:15:55,269 book was written maybe in the 1940s but 416 00:15:59,219 --> 00:15:57,429 it took place in the 1920s and she was a 417 00:16:01,260 --> 00:15:59,229 widowed mother who took her children a 418 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:01,270 boat and sailed all along 419 00:16:05,310 --> 00:16:03,610 along the west coast of Canada and went 420 00:16:06,780 --> 00:16:05,320 and visited different little villages 421 00:16:08,070 --> 00:16:06,790 and things along those lines and at one 422 00:16:10,530 --> 00:16:08,080 point in the book which has nothing to 423 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:10,540 do at all with sasquatch although it 424 00:16:14,340 --> 00:16:12,130 does make a reference to seeing a 425 00:16:17,190 --> 00:16:14,350 carving of the so called zone qua which 426 00:16:18,780 --> 00:16:17,200 is the famous wild woman of the forest 427 00:16:21,270 --> 00:16:18,790 that's represented in some of the 428 00:16:23,460 --> 00:16:21,280 Pacific northwestern tribes but at one 429 00:16:25,230 --> 00:16:23,470 point as Blanchett describes in the book 430 00:16:27,180 --> 00:16:25,240 she and her children were having dinner 431 00:16:29,190 --> 00:16:27,190 with an old hunter who described having 432 00:16:32,010 --> 00:16:29,200 to stay in a cave all night one evening 433 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:32,020 with his back up against the wall and 434 00:16:37,020 --> 00:16:33,850 with his shotgun across his knees 435 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:37,030 because of two great big bears who 436 00:16:41,310 --> 00:16:39,130 walked around on their hind legs outside 437 00:16:44,100 --> 00:16:41,320 of the cave all night and beat their 438 00:16:46,140 --> 00:16:44,110 chests like gorillas I've got news for 439 00:16:48,390 --> 00:16:46,150 you grizzly bears don't do that there is 440 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:48,400 no American bear species that does that 441 00:16:52,530 --> 00:16:50,530 it's a very interesting description 442 00:16:53,670 --> 00:16:52,540 especially in light of some of the 443 00:16:56,310 --> 00:16:53,680 things that appear in the ethnological 444 00:16:58,230 --> 00:16:56,320 literature which brings us finally to 445 00:17:00,990 --> 00:16:58,240 the myths and legends this is our third 446 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:01,000 portion here those which actually do 447 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:03,250 describe something more like a sasquatch 448 00:17:08,070 --> 00:17:05,650 not some sort of a cannibal giant not 449 00:17:09,660 --> 00:17:08,080 some sort of a supernatural monster no 450 00:17:12,690 --> 00:17:09,670 the accounts we'll look at here are 451 00:17:15,150 --> 00:17:12,700 generally human-like beings but much 452 00:17:17,940 --> 00:17:15,160 larger covered in hair often accompanied 453 00:17:19,980 --> 00:17:17,950 by a strong odor and which generally 454 00:17:22,050 --> 00:17:19,990 move around at night and there are other 455 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:22,060 common themes which include kidnappings 456 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:24,490 and things along those lines too but the 457 00:17:30,150 --> 00:17:26,650 first account I want to share here was 458 00:17:33,570 --> 00:17:30,160 written by George Gibbs and this was 459 00:17:36,780 --> 00:17:33,580 first written in July of 1865 and it 460 00:17:39,150 --> 00:17:36,790 appeared in a manuscript by Gibbs which 461 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:39,160 the ethnologist Ella Clark describes as 462 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:40,930 quote very probably the earliest 463 00:17:44,190 --> 00:17:42,610 extensive study of the religion and 464 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:44,200 mythology of the Indians of old Oregon 465 00:17:49,530 --> 00:17:46,570 and the earliest collection of their 466 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:49,540 folktales and he talks about what are 467 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:51,970 known as the sea octo or the sea otic 468 00:17:56,220 --> 00:17:54,490 and this is a term that actually many 469 00:17:59,430 --> 00:17:56,230 different bands in the Pacific Northwest 470 00:18:01,770 --> 00:17:59,440 used in reference to what were known as 471 00:18:04,380 --> 00:18:01,780 stick Indians or wild men or women 472 00:18:06,060 --> 00:18:04,390 and so Gibbs account is as follows he 473 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:06,070 writes one other race of beings I have 474 00:18:09,770 --> 00:18:07,930 classed separately and I should note 475 00:18:11,610 --> 00:18:09,780 here he's distinguishing them from 476 00:18:14,070 --> 00:18:11,620 supernatural beings that he's already 477 00:18:15,030 --> 00:18:14,080 written about so he's classing these 478 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:15,040 separately 479 00:18:19,050 --> 00:18:17,410 quote as they in particular are supposed 480 00:18:21,810 --> 00:18:19,060 to infest the earth and do not appear to 481 00:18:24,390 --> 00:18:21,820 have been properly the elip Tilikum 482 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:24,400 again referencing these supernatural 483 00:18:28,500 --> 00:18:26,290 beings he'd already talked about these 484 00:18:31,140 --> 00:18:28,510 he says aren't ciacco in the upper 485 00:18:34,230 --> 00:18:31,150 Chehalis state title in the Klickitat 486 00:18:35,910 --> 00:18:34,240 shia the belief in these beings is 487 00:18:37,020 --> 00:18:35,920 apparently universal among the different 488 00:18:39,810 --> 00:18:37,030 tribes though there is a great 489 00:18:41,790 --> 00:18:39,820 discrepancy in their accounts of them by 490 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:41,800 some the seeit KO are described as of 491 00:18:47,340 --> 00:18:44,530 gigantic size their feet 18 inches long 492 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:47,350 and shaped like a bear's if you've ever 493 00:18:53,490 --> 00:18:49,690 looked at a bear's footprint especially 494 00:18:56,790 --> 00:18:53,500 the bear's hind paw it can at times look 495 00:18:58,950 --> 00:18:56,800 very much like a human's foot with the 496 00:19:02,370 --> 00:18:58,960 exception of of course the claws which 497 00:19:04,530 --> 00:19:02,380 leave indentations in the mud but he 498 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:04,540 says the sea otter wear no clothes but 499 00:19:10,770 --> 00:19:06,970 the body is covered with hair like that 500 00:19:12,870 --> 00:19:10,780 of a dog only not so thick others 501 00:19:14,490 --> 00:19:12,880 describe them as of natural size and 502 00:19:16,710 --> 00:19:14,500 resembling men except that they give her 503 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:16,720 and Shatter one see ATCO making enough 504 00:19:20,850 --> 00:19:19,450 noise to represent a dozen persons they 505 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:20,860 are said to live in the mountains and 506 00:19:25,260 --> 00:19:22,930 holes underground and to smell badly 507 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:25,270 they come down chiefly in the fishing 508 00:19:29,850 --> 00:19:27,490 season at which time the Indians are 509 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:29,860 excessively afraid of them at the report 510 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:32,410 of sciata they all run for their houses 511 00:19:36,360 --> 00:19:34,930 fire their guns and shout deer visible 512 00:19:38,670 --> 00:19:36,370 only at night at which time they 513 00:19:40,470 --> 00:19:38,680 approach the houses steal salmon carry 514 00:19:42,900 --> 00:19:40,480 off young girls and smother children 515 00:19:45,120 --> 00:19:42,910 their voices are like those of the owl 516 00:19:47,730 --> 00:19:45,130 here again that reference to the owl and 517 00:19:49,380 --> 00:19:47,740 they possess the power of charming so 518 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:49,390 that others hearing them become demented 519 00:19:53,610 --> 00:19:51,970 or fall down in a swoon the Klickitat 520 00:19:55,710 --> 00:19:53,620 informed me that they did not believe 521 00:19:58,290 --> 00:19:55,720 they were elet Tilikum or of the demon 522 00:20:00,900 --> 00:19:58,300 race but came afterward and that part of 523 00:20:02,580 --> 00:20:00,910 them are still men and well beyond the 524 00:20:04,710 --> 00:20:02,590 mountains where they hunt and are very 525 00:20:07,020 --> 00:20:04,720 hospitable while the others steal at 526 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:07,030 night they're sometimes seen spearing 527 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:09,730 fish themselves now of course as with 528 00:20:15,420 --> 00:20:12,610 most ethnological representations and 529 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:15,430 indigenous traditions involving what may 530 00:20:18,780 --> 00:20:16,930 or may not be sasquatches we've got a 531 00:20:20,730 --> 00:20:18,790 bit of a mixed bag there it would be 532 00:20:23,220 --> 00:20:20,740 hard to imagine sasquatches spearing 533 00:20:25,830 --> 00:20:23,230 fish or mesmerizing people with their 534 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:25,840 calls although if we stop for a moment 535 00:20:30,789 --> 00:20:28,250 and we imagine a Nocturne 536 00:20:32,470 --> 00:20:30,799 species that behaves very much like 537 00:20:35,010 --> 00:20:32,480 humans but which are a little different 538 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:35,020 and perhaps more beastly and frightening 539 00:20:39,610 --> 00:20:37,610 one can easily imagine the way that 540 00:20:41,799 --> 00:20:39,620 supernatural characteristics might be 541 00:20:43,510 --> 00:20:41,809 attributed to them and that's even more 542 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:43,520 the case if we consider the fact that 543 00:20:49,299 --> 00:20:46,450 even today people in North America 544 00:20:51,820 --> 00:20:49,309 essentially still do that many who for 545 00:20:53,649 --> 00:20:51,830 lack of any better explanation for how 546 00:20:56,430 --> 00:20:53,659 in the world these creatures continue to 547 00:20:58,360 --> 00:20:56,440 evade scientists if they actually exist 548 00:20:59,950 --> 00:20:58,370 gravitate toward a paranormal 549 00:21:01,750 --> 00:20:59,960 explanation while they must be able to 550 00:21:02,740 --> 00:21:01,760 step through dimensions they must be 551 00:21:04,510 --> 00:21:02,750 able to come and go as they please 552 00:21:07,180 --> 00:21:04,520 there's something supernatural about 553 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:07,190 them so if we still do that today it's 554 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:08,650 not out of the realm of the possible 555 00:21:14,380 --> 00:21:11,570 that various cultures throughout time 556 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:14,390 have done that and that such beliefs are 557 00:21:19,899 --> 00:21:17,090 actually projected on to what may indeed 558 00:21:20,980 --> 00:21:19,909 actually be a physical species now in 559 00:21:22,380 --> 00:21:20,990 the interest of time I think we've 560 00:21:26,020 --> 00:21:22,390 really only got room for one more 561 00:21:27,430 --> 00:21:26,030 account in this area and I want to use 562 00:21:30,190 --> 00:21:27,440 this one because I think this is a good 563 00:21:32,830 --> 00:21:30,200 bridge between myth and folklore and 564 00:21:34,870 --> 00:21:32,840 then historical accounts this one also 565 00:21:36,340 --> 00:21:34,880 dates even earlier in fact than George 566 00:21:38,430 --> 00:21:36,350 Gibbs account this actually was written 567 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:38,440 by Elkanah Walker who was a missionary 568 00:21:44,710 --> 00:21:41,890 riding from Fort Colville in 1840 and 569 00:21:47,289 --> 00:21:44,720 this is an excerpt from a letter that he 570 00:21:48,850 --> 00:21:47,299 wrote where he is describing what he 571 00:21:51,190 --> 00:21:48,860 calls some of the superstitions among 572 00:21:53,230 --> 00:21:51,200 the Spokane Indians and this is what he 573 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:53,240 writes they believe in the existence of 574 00:21:57,100 --> 00:21:55,010 a race of giants which inhabit a certain 575 00:21:59,020 --> 00:21:57,110 mountain off to the west of us this 576 00:22:02,320 --> 00:21:59,030 mountain is covered with perpetual snow 577 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:02,330 they inhabit its top they may be classed 578 00:22:06,850 --> 00:22:04,610 with Goldsmith's nocturnal class as they 579 00:22:08,649 --> 00:22:06,860 cannot see in the daytime they hunt and 580 00:22:10,810 --> 00:22:08,659 do all their work at night they are men 581 00:22:12,549 --> 00:22:10,820 stealers they come to the people's 582 00:22:13,990 --> 00:22:12,559 lodges in the night when the people are 583 00:22:15,159 --> 00:22:14,000 asleep and put them under their skins 584 00:22:17,409 --> 00:22:15,169 and take them to the place of their 585 00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:17,419 abode without their even waking when 586 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:18,530 they awake in the morning they are 587 00:22:22,149 --> 00:22:19,970 wholly lost not knowing in what 588 00:22:23,710 --> 00:22:22,159 direction their home is the account the 589 00:22:25,390 --> 00:22:23,720 Indians give of these Giants will in 590 00:22:27,460 --> 00:22:25,400 some measure correspond with the Bible 591 00:22:28,870 --> 00:22:27,470 account of such a race of beings they 592 00:22:30,970 --> 00:22:28,880 say their track is about a foot and a 593 00:22:33,490 --> 00:22:30,980 half long they will carry two or three 594 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:33,500 beams upon their back at once they 595 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:35,330 frequently come in the night still their 596 00:22:39,460 --> 00:22:37,970 salmon from the Nets and eat them raw if 597 00:22:40,930 --> 00:22:39,470 the people are away they always know 598 00:22:41,980 --> 00:22:40,940 when these beings are near by their 599 00:22:44,140 --> 00:22:41,990 strong smell 600 00:22:45,670 --> 00:22:44,150 which is most intolerable it is not 601 00:22:47,860 --> 00:22:45,680 uncommon for them to come in the night 602 00:22:50,050 --> 00:22:47,870 and give three whistles then the stones 603 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:50,060 will begin to hit the houses the people 604 00:22:54,220 --> 00:22:51,850 are troubled with their nocturnal visits 605 00:22:57,010 --> 00:22:54,230 so there you have the famous account 606 00:22:58,510 --> 00:22:57,020 given by Elkanah Walker and among the 607 00:23:00,520 --> 00:22:58,520 tropes that begin to emerge and all 608 00:23:02,740 --> 00:23:00,530 these different accounts are again they 609 00:23:05,650 --> 00:23:02,750 steal salmon sometimes they still people 610 00:23:07,390 --> 00:23:05,660 they whistle they're often nocturnal and 611 00:23:09,370 --> 00:23:07,400 they're larger than humans and as George 612 00:23:09,970 --> 00:23:09,380 Gibbs explicitly states they're covered 613 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:09,980 in hair 614 00:23:14,020 --> 00:23:11,690 all over the body like a dog but with 615 00:23:16,390 --> 00:23:14,030 hair not as thick as a dog's and that 616 00:23:19,500 --> 00:23:16,400 brings us to historical accounts because 617 00:23:22,450 --> 00:23:19,510 it has been argued by some that any 618 00:23:26,290 --> 00:23:22,460 descriptions of Sasquatch prior to the 619 00:23:28,810 --> 00:23:26,300 1950s actually only describe very large 620 00:23:31,300 --> 00:23:28,820 Indians giant Native Americans 621 00:23:33,220 --> 00:23:31,310 essentially and some time ago I bought a 622 00:23:34,570 --> 00:23:33,230 book that has a fantastic cover by the 623 00:23:35,710 --> 00:23:34,580 way it's absolutely great it's called 624 00:23:37,750 --> 00:23:35,720 abominable science 625 00:23:39,700 --> 00:23:37,760 it's a skeptical interpretation of 626 00:23:42,340 --> 00:23:39,710 cryptozoology and you know again I think 627 00:23:44,620 --> 00:23:42,350 it's important to balance your reading 628 00:23:45,820 --> 00:23:44,630 list don't just read books that are Pro 629 00:23:48,190 --> 00:23:45,830 sasquatch you know get a good 630 00:23:49,990 --> 00:23:48,200 perspective from a skeptic but one issue 631 00:23:50,410 --> 00:23:50,000 I do have with what the authors of that 632 00:23:52,780 --> 00:23:50,420 book 633 00:23:55,300 --> 00:23:52,790 Donald Prothero and Daniel Loxton argue 634 00:23:57,760 --> 00:23:55,310 is that no reports of Sasquatch 635 00:24:00,370 --> 00:23:57,770 described gorilla like or ape-like 636 00:24:03,300 --> 00:24:00,380 beings that prior to the early or 637 00:24:07,180 --> 00:24:03,310 mid-1950s legends about Sasquatch 638 00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:07,190 referred explicitly to giant Indians and 639 00:24:10,330 --> 00:24:08,570 that there were no stories about 640 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:10,340 hair-covered monsters or anything along 641 00:24:14,050 --> 00:24:11,930 those lines that's a modern invention 642 00:24:16,980 --> 00:24:14,060 that ends up being tagged on to 643 00:24:19,540 --> 00:24:16,990 Sasquatch legends starting in the 1950s 644 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:19,550 well I would dispute that and I'm about 645 00:24:22,420 --> 00:24:21,050 to offer some evidence for it but I 646 00:24:25,630 --> 00:24:22,430 think as we proceed we should also 647 00:24:27,910 --> 00:24:25,640 remember that the word Sasquatch was not 648 00:24:30,340 --> 00:24:27,920 the original word used by any indigenous 649 00:24:32,110 --> 00:24:30,350 Americans for these creatures there were 650 00:24:34,030 --> 00:24:32,120 many different languages spoken by the 651 00:24:36,610 --> 00:24:34,040 different bands and hence there were 652 00:24:38,830 --> 00:24:36,620 many different names for what seemed to 653 00:24:41,350 --> 00:24:38,840 be similar creatures and it had actually 654 00:24:43,510 --> 00:24:41,360 been a man from Ireland who coined the 655 00:24:45,460 --> 00:24:43,520 term Sasquatch as far as we know his 656 00:24:47,860 --> 00:24:45,470 name was JW Byrnes he came from Ireland 657 00:24:49,660 --> 00:24:47,870 to America and he became a government 658 00:24:52,270 --> 00:24:49,670 agent and was actually a teacher on the 659 00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:52,280 Chehalis reservation and beginning in 660 00:24:55,460 --> 00:24:54,530 the 1920s JW Burns started publishing 661 00:24:57,440 --> 00:24:55,470 articles 662 00:24:59,149 --> 00:24:57,450 that were based on stories he'd heard 663 00:25:00,680 --> 00:24:59,159 and interviews he had done with some of 664 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:00,690 the Native Americans that he lived 665 00:25:03,770 --> 00:25:02,490 alongside and I believe the first of 666 00:25:05,899 --> 00:25:03,780 those articles appeared in Maclean's 667 00:25:08,120 --> 00:25:05,909 magazine in Canada and some of the 668 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:08,130 descriptions in that article do describe 669 00:25:12,740 --> 00:25:10,890 what sound more like giant Indians the 670 00:25:14,750 --> 00:25:12,750 so called sasquatch as he began calling 671 00:25:16,940 --> 00:25:14,760 them actually at times were able to 672 00:25:19,549 --> 00:25:16,950 speak some of the members of the 673 00:25:21,710 --> 00:25:19,559 Chehalis actually said that they spoke a 674 00:25:24,289 --> 00:25:21,720 dialect that they recognized called the 675 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:24,299 douglas dialect and so you do see some 676 00:25:29,180 --> 00:25:26,490 things in there that are very unlike our 677 00:25:31,039 --> 00:25:29,190 modern conception of Sasquatch and we'll 678 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:31,049 come back around to JW Burns in that 679 00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:32,730 article in a moment but just keep that 680 00:25:37,370 --> 00:25:34,770 in mind again Sasquatch is not an 681 00:25:39,409 --> 00:25:37,380 indigenous American word that's one that 682 00:25:41,899 --> 00:25:39,419 was created by a guy from Ireland which 683 00:25:43,850 --> 00:25:41,909 was based loosely on different variants 684 00:25:46,549 --> 00:25:43,860 that he had heard in different Pacific 685 00:25:47,899 --> 00:25:46,559 northwestern Indian languages now the 686 00:25:52,070 --> 00:25:47,909 first account I actually want to share 687 00:25:54,110 --> 00:25:52,080 here is from 1870 and this is from 688 00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:54,120 California this appeared in the San 689 00:25:59,990 --> 00:25:57,090 Francisco Examiner and the article is 690 00:26:01,669 --> 00:26:00,000 titled California gorillas now in my 691 00:26:03,049 --> 00:26:01,679 opinion that's a really great article to 692 00:26:05,630 --> 00:26:03,059 start with if we're looking for evidence 693 00:26:07,190 --> 00:26:05,640 of references to things like Sasquatch 694 00:26:10,130 --> 00:26:07,200 that describe them as resembling 695 00:26:12,590 --> 00:26:10,140 gorillas prior to the 1950s and this 696 00:26:14,090 --> 00:26:12,600 clip actually is in response to an 697 00:26:16,399 --> 00:26:14,100 article that it appeared a few days 698 00:26:18,590 --> 00:26:16,409 earlier and I'll share just a little of 699 00:26:20,149 --> 00:26:18,600 this year it reads an old hunter who 700 00:26:22,700 --> 00:26:20,159 vouches for the truth of his story 701 00:26:23,779 --> 00:26:22,710 rights to the Antioch ledger offering 702 00:26:25,909 --> 00:26:23,789 that the statement about a gorilla 703 00:26:28,070 --> 00:26:25,919 having been seen among the mountains at 704 00:26:31,010 --> 00:26:28,080 the head of orest Rimba Creek and in 705 00:26:32,930 --> 00:26:31,020 crow Canyon is strictly true he says I 706 00:26:35,180 --> 00:26:32,940 positively assure you that this gorilla 707 00:26:38,180 --> 00:26:35,190 or wild man or whatever you choose to 708 00:26:39,770 --> 00:26:38,190 call it is no myth I know that it exists 709 00:26:41,630 --> 00:26:39,780 and that there are at least two of them 710 00:26:44,450 --> 00:26:41,640 having seen them both at once not a year 711 00:26:47,180 --> 00:26:44,460 ago their existence has been reported at 712 00:26:48,980 --> 00:26:47,190 times for the past 20 years and I have 713 00:26:50,630 --> 00:26:48,990 heard it said that in early days an 714 00:26:52,970 --> 00:26:50,640 orangutan escaped from a ship on the 715 00:26:54,529 --> 00:26:52,980 southern coast and this is significant 716 00:26:56,750 --> 00:26:54,539 he says but the creature I have seen is 717 00:26:58,970 --> 00:26:56,760 not that animal and if it is where did 718 00:27:01,100 --> 00:26:58,980 it get its mate now the article goes on 719 00:27:03,110 --> 00:27:01,110 and it also recaps the original account 720 00:27:04,909 --> 00:27:03,120 which I'll briefly summarize here this 721 00:27:07,340 --> 00:27:04,919 gentleman had been camping in a rugged 722 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:07,350 area of California and had noticed while 723 00:27:10,279 --> 00:27:08,610 he was out hunting 724 00:27:12,740 --> 00:27:10,289 in the daytime that something had been 725 00:27:14,450 --> 00:27:12,750 disturbing his campsite and it would do 726 00:27:16,310 --> 00:27:14,460 it also at night sometimes while he was 727 00:27:18,649 --> 00:27:16,320 asleep and so one evening he decides to 728 00:27:20,690 --> 00:27:18,659 go hide back in a thicket and watch the 729 00:27:22,759 --> 00:27:20,700 campsite while the fire is burning and 730 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:22,769 see what is coming into the campsite and 731 00:27:26,810 --> 00:27:24,690 causing the disturbance and he also 732 00:27:27,830 --> 00:27:26,820 describes seeing footprints and so we'll 733 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:27,840 pick up the narrative there he says 734 00:27:31,430 --> 00:27:29,490 although my bedding and traps and little 735 00:27:33,529 --> 00:27:31,440 stores were not disturbed that I could 736 00:27:35,659 --> 00:27:33,539 see I was anxious to learn what or who 737 00:27:37,669 --> 00:27:35,669 it was that so regularly visited my camp 738 00:27:39,139 --> 00:27:37,679 for clearly the half burned sticks and 739 00:27:41,629 --> 00:27:39,149 cinders could not scatter themselves 740 00:27:43,820 --> 00:27:41,639 about I saw no tracks near the camp as 741 00:27:46,519 --> 00:27:43,830 the hard ground covered with dry leaves 742 00:27:47,899 --> 00:27:46,529 would show none so I started on a circle 743 00:27:49,700 --> 00:27:47,909 round the place and three hundred yards 744 00:27:52,100 --> 00:27:49,710 off in deep sand I struck the track of a 745 00:27:55,100 --> 00:27:52,110 man's feet as I supposed bare and of 746 00:27:57,350 --> 00:27:55,110 immense size so needless to say he wants 747 00:27:59,149 --> 00:27:57,360 to see who this barefooted giant was and 748 00:28:01,610 --> 00:27:59,159 so he goes and he hides as we described 749 00:28:03,110 --> 00:28:01,620 he says I took a position on a hillside 750 00:28:04,879 --> 00:28:03,120 some sixty or seventy yards from the 751 00:28:07,430 --> 00:28:04,889 fire and securely hidden the brush I 752 00:28:08,870 --> 00:28:07,440 waited and I watched two hours and why i 753 00:28:10,190 --> 00:28:08,880 sat there and wondered if the owner of 754 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:10,200 the bare feet would come again and 755 00:28:14,360 --> 00:28:12,570 whether he imagined what an interest he 756 00:28:15,889 --> 00:28:14,370 had created in my inquiring mind and 757 00:28:17,409 --> 00:28:15,899 finally what possessed him to be 758 00:28:20,029 --> 00:28:17,419 prowling around there with no shoes on 759 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:20,039 the fireplace was on my right and the 760 00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:21,570 spot where I saw the tracks was on my 761 00:28:25,700 --> 00:28:24,210 left he says it was in this direction 762 00:28:27,259 --> 00:28:25,710 that my attention was mostly directed 763 00:28:29,269 --> 00:28:27,269 thinking the visitor would appear there 764 00:28:31,759 --> 00:28:29,279 and besides it was easier to sit and 765 00:28:35,090 --> 00:28:31,769 face that way suddenly I was startled by 766 00:28:36,500 --> 00:28:35,100 a shrill whistle such as boys produced 767 00:28:39,830 --> 00:28:36,510 with two fingers under their tongue and 768 00:28:41,379 --> 00:28:39,840 turning quickly I ejaculated good god as 769 00:28:44,210 --> 00:28:41,389 I saw the object of my solicitude 770 00:28:45,919 --> 00:28:44,220 standing beside the fire erect and 771 00:28:47,690 --> 00:28:45,929 looking suspiciously around you've got 772 00:28:49,669 --> 00:28:47,700 to really appreciate the colorful 773 00:28:52,519 --> 00:28:49,679 language and accounts from this error 774 00:28:54,500 --> 00:28:52,529 remember 1870 ladies and gents it was in 775 00:28:57,110 --> 00:28:54,510 the image of man but it could not have 776 00:28:59,629 --> 00:28:57,120 been human I never was so been numbed 777 00:29:01,519 --> 00:28:59,639 with astonishment before the creature 778 00:29:03,409 --> 00:29:01,529 whatever it was stood fully five feet 779 00:29:05,990 --> 00:29:03,419 high so it's not very large if it is a 780 00:29:07,879 --> 00:29:06,000 sasquatch right but he says and 781 00:29:09,379 --> 00:29:07,889 disproportionately brought in square at 782 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:09,389 the shoulders with arms of great length 783 00:29:14,330 --> 00:29:12,090 the legs were very short and the body 784 00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:14,340 long the head was small compared with 785 00:29:17,180 --> 00:29:15,570 the rest of the creature and appeared to 786 00:29:19,580 --> 00:29:17,190 be set upon its shoulders without a neck 787 00:29:21,919 --> 00:29:19,590 the hole was covered with dark brown and 788 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:21,929 cinnamon colored hair quite long on some 789 00:29:24,250 --> 00:29:22,370 parts 790 00:29:26,830 --> 00:29:24,260 that on the head standing in a shock and 791 00:29:28,180 --> 00:29:26,840 growing close down to the eyes and he 792 00:29:30,220 --> 00:29:28,190 goes on to give further details but 793 00:29:32,860 --> 00:29:30,230 essentially how better to describe a 794 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:32,870 sasquatch now some may say well you know 795 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:34,250 he says it was only five feet tall 796 00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:36,890 Sasquatch is supposed to be giant but we 797 00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:38,210 should also remember that you know 798 00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:40,850 humans come in various sizes - I'm sure 799 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:42,050 anyone listening here is throughout 800 00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:43,490 their life known people who were barely 801 00:29:47,830 --> 00:29:46,610 5 feet tall and some who exceeded 7 so 802 00:29:49,870 --> 00:29:47,840 if we're talking about something 803 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:49,880 human-like perhaps that same sort of 804 00:29:54,430 --> 00:29:52,370 variation in height would occur here - 805 00:29:55,930 --> 00:29:54,440 now in the interest of time we've got to 806 00:29:59,080 --> 00:29:55,940 skip ahead to some additional reports 807 00:30:01,750 --> 00:29:59,090 the next few are news paper items that 808 00:30:04,990 --> 00:30:01,760 appeared in British Columbia and in 809 00:30:07,540 --> 00:30:05,000 Oregon in the year 1904 I would dare say 810 00:30:09,310 --> 00:30:07,550 there was a bit of a flap going on 811 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:09,320 around that time this first one is dated 812 00:30:14,169 --> 00:30:11,210 March 25th 1904 it appeared in the 813 00:30:17,020 --> 00:30:14,179 Capital Journal in Salem Oregon under 814 00:30:19,450 --> 00:30:17,030 the headline Wildman in Coos County it's 815 00:30:21,070 --> 00:30:19,460 said to be 7 feet tall strong as an ox 816 00:30:23,830 --> 00:30:21,080 now this one seems to be a little more 817 00:30:25,299 --> 00:30:23,840 on par as far as the height and the 818 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:25,309 description given his a wild man is 819 00:30:28,299 --> 00:30:26,690 reported in the mountains of Coos County 820 00:30:30,940 --> 00:30:28,309 he has described as seven feet tall 821 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:30,950 muscular and unkempt he has been 822 00:30:33,940 --> 00:30:32,210 terrorizing the ranchers and miners 823 00:30:36,460 --> 00:30:33,950 until today they are discussing an 824 00:30:38,290 --> 00:30:36,470 organised hunt he has been shot at twice 825 00:30:41,250 --> 00:30:38,300 without effect he is believed to be an 826 00:30:43,450 --> 00:30:41,260 insane prospector of gigantic stature 827 00:30:46,540 --> 00:30:43,460 hardly a relict hominoid 828 00:30:48,970 --> 00:30:46,550 right but not so fast because just five 829 00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:48,980 days later we have the next piece which 830 00:30:54,340 --> 00:30:51,530 appeared in the Capital Journal this one 831 00:30:57,430 --> 00:30:54,350 in Salem Oregon as well the six is wild 832 00:31:00,220 --> 00:30:57,440 man again hairy being who is horror of 833 00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:00,230 the miners he hurls four pound rocks 834 00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:03,050 through the air like baseballs the 835 00:31:05,860 --> 00:31:04,370 article reads the appearance again of 836 00:31:07,180 --> 00:31:05,870 the wild man of the sixes has thrown 837 00:31:09,250 --> 00:31:07,190 some of the miners into a state of 838 00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:09,260 excitement and fear a report says the 839 00:31:13,810 --> 00:31:11,690 wild man has been seen three times since 840 00:31:15,370 --> 00:31:13,820 the 10th of last month the first 841 00:31:17,530 --> 00:31:15,380 appearance occurred on Thompson flat 842 00:31:19,210 --> 00:31:17,540 William Ward and a young man by the name 843 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:19,220 of Burleson were sitting by the fire of 844 00:31:22,660 --> 00:31:20,690 their cabin one night when they heard 845 00:31:24,340 --> 00:31:22,670 something walking around the cabin which 846 00:31:25,990 --> 00:31:24,350 resembled a man walking and when it came 847 00:31:27,250 --> 00:31:26,000 to the corner of the cabin it took hold 848 00:31:29,260 --> 00:31:27,260 of the corner and gave the building a 849 00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:29,270 vigorous shake and kept up a frightful 850 00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:31,850 noise all the time the same that has so 851 00:31:35,710 --> 00:31:33,290 many times warned the venture some 852 00:31:37,930 --> 00:31:35,720 miners of the approach of the hairy man 853 00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:37,940 and calls them to flee and abject fear 854 00:31:42,549 --> 00:31:39,890 now our descriptions a little more on 855 00:31:45,070 --> 00:31:42,559 point we have the following account here 856 00:31:48,130 --> 00:31:45,080 this one from July of the same year the 857 00:31:50,409 --> 00:31:48,140 morning a story in July 7th 1904 this 858 00:31:52,149 --> 00:31:50,419 from Astoria Oregon the title of this 859 00:31:53,980 --> 00:31:52,159 piece wild man of the forest hairy 860 00:31:55,390 --> 00:31:53,990 creature seen by lone traveler in 861 00:31:58,270 --> 00:31:55,400 British Columbia so a little further 862 00:32:00,039 --> 00:31:58,280 north but as they report here a weird 863 00:32:01,870 --> 00:32:00,049 story of a wild man encountered far 864 00:32:03,909 --> 00:32:01,880 inland from the headwaters of Campbell 865 00:32:05,799 --> 00:32:03,919 rivers told by Mike king who had 866 00:32:07,899 --> 00:32:05,809 penetrated into a territory religiously 867 00:32:10,570 --> 00:32:07,909 shunned by Indians none of whom would 868 00:32:12,820 --> 00:32:10,580 either accompany him as usual nor make 869 00:32:14,409 --> 00:32:12,830 the explanation of their conduct King 870 00:32:16,299 --> 00:32:14,419 had been making his solitary way through 871 00:32:18,370 --> 00:32:16,309 the forest not having seen a human face 872 00:32:20,529 --> 00:32:18,380 for days when a cry of mingled surprise 873 00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:20,539 and fear very human in its quality and 874 00:32:24,730 --> 00:32:22,730 foreign in the forest land brought him 875 00:32:27,130 --> 00:32:24,740 to a sudden halt rifle and hand in his 876 00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:27,140 eyes straining for an explanation this 877 00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:28,490 was quickly afforded but in such a 878 00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:30,770 manner as to try the nerves of even such 879 00:32:35,049 --> 00:32:33,530 a woodsman as Mike King about a hundred 880 00:32:37,539 --> 00:32:35,059 yards from where he stood or even less 881 00:32:40,539 --> 00:32:37,549 an uncouth human faced him seemingly all 882 00:32:42,220 --> 00:32:40,549 certain whether to stand or fly the form 883 00:32:44,980 --> 00:32:42,230 was that of a large and angular man 884 00:32:47,350 --> 00:32:44,990 completely covered with hair and long 885 00:32:49,570 --> 00:32:47,360 arms hanging loosely and hands reaching 886 00:32:51,220 --> 00:32:49,580 below the knees the eyes were quick and 887 00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:51,230 penetrating shining strangely through a 888 00:32:54,850 --> 00:32:52,570 tangle of unkempt hair 889 00:32:57,490 --> 00:32:54,860 the object was unmistakably an 890 00:32:59,200 --> 00:32:57,500 uncompromising Li human mr. King attests 891 00:33:02,289 --> 00:32:59,210 and yet no human beings such as any 892 00:33:04,029 --> 00:33:02,299 nation tribe or country knows quite a 893 00:33:05,350 --> 00:33:04,039 description and there were others from 894 00:33:08,110 --> 00:33:05,360 that year I've got another here from 895 00:33:10,210 --> 00:33:08,120 December of 1904 just simply entitled 896 00:33:12,789 --> 00:33:10,220 the Wildman reporting that he's been 897 00:33:14,620 --> 00:33:12,799 seen by many in the northern woods so in 898 00:33:16,299 --> 00:33:14,630 the year of 1904 there were a lot of 899 00:33:18,039 --> 00:33:16,309 similar reports that were coming in of 900 00:33:21,130 --> 00:33:18,049 these things and some yes described them 901 00:33:23,799 --> 00:33:21,140 as gorillas like skipping ahead to 1924 902 00:33:26,289 --> 00:33:23,809 we had a much more famous incident which 903 00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:26,299 involves a group of prospectors and an 904 00:33:31,060 --> 00:33:29,090 area appropriately called abe canyon who 905 00:33:33,490 --> 00:33:31,070 claimed that their cabin is attacked and 906 00:33:34,990 --> 00:33:33,500 in the various newspaper reports from 907 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:35,000 around that time that described the 908 00:33:39,700 --> 00:33:37,010 incident they refer to these seven-foot 909 00:33:41,110 --> 00:33:39,710 tall Giants as being gorillas like so 910 00:33:43,779 --> 00:33:41,120 quite obviously there were a lot of 911 00:33:46,570 --> 00:33:43,789 references to large gorillas like but 912 00:33:48,820 --> 00:33:46,580 essentially anthropoid Apes in parts of 913 00:33:49,629 --> 00:33:48,830 the Pacific Northwest some of which not 914 00:33:52,029 --> 00:33:49,639 only predated 915 00:33:54,039 --> 00:33:52,039 the 1950s they actually went even 916 00:33:57,009 --> 00:33:54,049 further back as that first report from 917 00:33:58,629 --> 00:33:57,019 1870 in California shows us but now 918 00:34:00,190 --> 00:33:58,639 before we wrap up I want to return again 919 00:34:03,879 --> 00:34:00,200 to the article I referenced earlier by 920 00:34:06,669 --> 00:34:03,889 JW Burns from April 1929 introducing 921 00:34:09,039 --> 00:34:06,679 British Columbia's hairy giants and in 922 00:34:11,139 --> 00:34:09,049 burns article he describes an incident 923 00:34:13,059 --> 00:34:11,149 where a couple of berry pickers walking 924 00:34:15,399 --> 00:34:13,069 along a railroad track allegedly 925 00:34:18,339 --> 00:34:15,409 encountered a naked giant that terrified 926 00:34:19,990 --> 00:34:18,349 them and so he inquired about this 927 00:34:22,509 --> 00:34:20,000 incident to see if it was indeed true 928 00:34:24,490 --> 00:34:22,519 and he received a letter which he quotes 929 00:34:25,869 --> 00:34:24,500 in his article from this gentleman mr. 930 00:34:29,109 --> 00:34:25,879 Point who had been one of the observers 931 00:34:30,879 --> 00:34:29,119 and I will now quote the description he 932 00:34:32,109 --> 00:34:30,889 gives in the letter he sent to JW Burns 933 00:34:33,849 --> 00:34:32,119 which appeared in that article he says 934 00:34:36,309 --> 00:34:33,859 dear sir I have your letter asking is it 935 00:34:38,740 --> 00:34:36,319 true or not that I saw a hairy giant man 936 00:34:41,740 --> 00:34:38,750 at agassi's last September while picking 937 00:34:43,240 --> 00:34:41,750 hops there now again keep in mind he 938 00:34:47,710 --> 00:34:43,250 refers to him explicitly at the 939 00:34:49,720 --> 00:34:47,720 beginning as a hairy giant okay in this 940 00:34:53,169 --> 00:34:49,730 article the first to present to the 941 00:34:54,579 --> 00:34:53,179 world the term sasquatch again if some 942 00:34:56,319 --> 00:34:54,589 skeptics are to be believed there 943 00:34:58,690 --> 00:34:56,329 shouldn't have been references to hairy 944 00:35:01,450 --> 00:34:58,700 gorilla like creatures prior to the 945 00:35:03,609 --> 00:35:01,460 1950s so right here at the outset mr. 946 00:35:05,620 --> 00:35:03,619 point describes a hairy giant let's see 947 00:35:08,259 --> 00:35:05,630 how his description holds up thereafter 948 00:35:10,450 --> 00:35:08,269 he says it is true and the facts are as 949 00:35:12,730 --> 00:35:10,460 follows this happened at the close of 950 00:35:15,039 --> 00:35:12,740 September 1927 when we were having a 951 00:35:16,870 --> 00:35:15,049 feast a Deline Auguste and myself walked 952 00:35:19,150 --> 00:35:16,880 to her father's orchard which is about 953 00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:19,160 four miles from the hot fields we were 954 00:35:22,180 --> 00:35:20,690 walking on the railroad track and within 955 00:35:23,829 --> 00:35:22,190 a short distance of the orchard when the 956 00:35:25,599 --> 00:35:23,839 girl noticed something walking along the 957 00:35:27,519 --> 00:35:25,609 track coming toward us I looked up but 958 00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:27,529 paid no attention to it as I thought it 959 00:35:31,420 --> 00:35:29,210 was some person on his way to agassi's 960 00:35:32,950 --> 00:35:31,430 but as he came closer we noticed that 961 00:35:35,230 --> 00:35:32,960 his appearance was very odd 962 00:35:36,670 --> 00:35:35,240 and on coming still closer we stood 963 00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:36,680 still and were astonished seeing that 964 00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:38,450 the creature was naked and covered with 965 00:35:43,900 --> 00:35:40,970 hair like an animal okay covered with 966 00:35:46,690 --> 00:35:43,910 hair like an animal he says we were 967 00:35:48,490 --> 00:35:46,700 almost paralysed from fear I picked up 968 00:35:49,990 --> 00:35:48,500 two stones with which I intended to hit 969 00:35:51,579 --> 00:35:50,000 him if he attempted to molest us but 970 00:35:54,549 --> 00:35:51,589 within 50 feet or so he stood up and 971 00:35:57,130 --> 00:35:54,559 looked at us he was twice as big as the 972 00:35:59,170 --> 00:35:57,140 average man with hands so long that they 973 00:36:00,880 --> 00:35:59,180 almost touched the ground it seemed to 974 00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:00,890 me the desires were very large and that 975 00:36:04,569 --> 00:36:02,690 the lower part of his nose was wide 976 00:36:06,849 --> 00:36:04,579 spread over the greater part of his face 977 00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:06,859 which gave the creature such a frightful 978 00:36:11,020 --> 00:36:08,690 appearance that I ran away as fast as I 979 00:36:12,730 --> 00:36:11,030 could after a minute or two I looked 980 00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:12,740 back and saw that he resumed his journey 981 00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:14,810 the girl had fled before I left and she 982 00:36:19,359 --> 00:36:16,970 ran so fast that I did not overtake her 983 00:36:21,730 --> 00:36:19,369 until I was close to Agassi's where we 984 00:36:23,050 --> 00:36:21,740 told the story of our adventure to the 985 00:36:25,089 --> 00:36:23,060 Indians who were still enjoying 986 00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:25,099 themselves old Indians who were present 987 00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:26,690 said the wild man was no doubt a 988 00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:29,210 sasquatch a tribe of hairy people whom 989 00:36:33,819 --> 00:36:30,650 they claimed have always lived in the 990 00:36:35,620 --> 00:36:33,829 mountains in tunnels and caves so 991 00:36:38,170 --> 00:36:35,630 there's the account by mr. point and 992 00:36:40,390 --> 00:36:38,180 again he describes very long arms 993 00:36:43,150 --> 00:36:40,400 covered all over the body with hair like 994 00:36:44,730 --> 00:36:43,160 an animal a wide flat nose that almost 995 00:36:48,309 --> 00:36:44,740 covered half the length of the face 996 00:36:50,380 --> 00:36:48,319 roughly double the size of a human to me 997 00:36:53,170 --> 00:36:50,390 the description given sounds very much 998 00:36:55,300 --> 00:36:53,180 like modern accounts of the Sasquatch 999 00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:55,310 and to say that that's something that 1000 00:36:59,920 --> 00:36:57,410 didn't turn up until the 1950s and that 1001 00:37:01,660 --> 00:36:59,930 that was completely just a creation that 1002 00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:01,670 was based on myths about giant 1003 00:37:05,829 --> 00:37:03,770 indigenous Americans I mean that doesn't 1004 00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:05,839 seem to really hold water in light of 1005 00:37:10,180 --> 00:37:07,490 some of the historical accounts that 1006 00:37:11,290 --> 00:37:10,190 we've seen and it's even stranger to me 1007 00:37:13,990 --> 00:37:11,300 that over the years I've seen numerous 1008 00:37:16,180 --> 00:37:14,000 skeptics argue that for such a creature 1009 00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:16,190 to exist there would have to be evidence 1010 00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:18,770 in the historical record my response to 1011 00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:20,450 that would be how much more evidence do 1012 00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:22,490 you need but in fact there's a lot more 1013 00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:24,530 there are accounts that have been made 1014 00:37:28,690 --> 00:37:26,810 by artists who were the first to venture 1015 00:37:30,069 --> 00:37:28,700 to the Pacific Northwest and who 1016 00:37:32,050 --> 00:37:30,079 actually traveled with indigenous 1017 00:37:33,910 --> 00:37:32,060 Americans as their guides we have 1018 00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:33,920 accounts from surveyors with companies 1019 00:37:37,030 --> 00:37:36,050 like the Pacific Northwest company we 1020 00:37:39,309 --> 00:37:37,040 have the stories of miners and 1021 00:37:40,990 --> 00:37:39,319 prospectors and many of those especially 1022 00:37:43,510 --> 00:37:41,000 toward the end of the 19th and early 1023 00:37:46,569 --> 00:37:43,520 20th century do appear in newspaper 1024 00:37:49,450 --> 00:37:46,579 accounts and yes sometimes hoax has also 1025 00:37:51,490 --> 00:37:49,460 appeared in newspapers but if we look at 1026 00:37:53,410 --> 00:37:51,500 the sum total of the evidence the 1027 00:37:55,180 --> 00:37:53,420 ethnological literature that suggests 1028 00:37:58,059 --> 00:37:55,190 knowledge of these in Native American 1029 00:38:00,040 --> 00:37:58,069 folklore which in truth as many 1030 00:38:02,260 --> 00:38:00,050 indigenous Americans have continued to 1031 00:38:04,300 --> 00:38:02,270 argue over the years these things only 1032 00:38:06,490 --> 00:38:04,310 tend to be referred to as folklore 1033 00:38:08,230 --> 00:38:06,500 if non-indigenous Americans are the ones 1034 00:38:10,059 --> 00:38:08,240 talking about them so with respect to 1035 00:38:12,010 --> 00:38:10,069 their own accounts they often say these 1036 00:38:13,240 --> 00:38:12,020 things are actually real and that these 1037 00:38:14,890 --> 00:38:13,250 represent true stories in their 1038 00:38:16,090 --> 00:38:14,900 traditions but then you pair that with 1039 00:38:18,310 --> 00:38:16,100 the ongoing report 1040 00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:18,320 from over the last century or more some 1041 00:38:22,630 --> 00:38:20,330 of which even continued into the present 1042 00:38:24,910 --> 00:38:22,640 day and for my own part I see a very 1043 00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:24,920 compelling case that anthropologically 1044 00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:26,090 we should be looking at the possibility 1045 00:38:31,630 --> 00:38:29,210 however remote it may seem that there is 1046 00:38:34,420 --> 00:38:31,640 and has been a large human-like species 1047 00:38:36,970 --> 00:38:34,430 that has coexisted alongside us and yet 1048 00:38:39,610 --> 00:38:36,980 which remains officially unrecognized by 1049 00:38:41,620 --> 00:38:39,620 science and so in conclusion I just want 1050 00:38:43,510 --> 00:38:41,630 to thank Jason again for putting on this 1051 00:38:45,130 --> 00:38:43,520 all the strange event I hope you're as 1052 00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:45,140 fascinated with the history of Sasquatch 1053 00:38:48,490 --> 00:38:47,330 as I am and I hope it isn't the last 1054 00:38:50,110 --> 00:38:48,500 time that we all get together and do 1055 00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:50,120 this if you'd like to follow my work of 1056 00:38:54,460 --> 00:38:52,130 course it's all available online at mica 1057 00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:54,470 Hanks dot-com you can find podcasts 1058 00:38:58,720 --> 00:38:56,810 articles and more and of course you can 1059 00:39:01,150 --> 00:38:58,730 follow me on Twitter at Micah Hanks so 1060 00:39:02,650 --> 00:39:01,160 until next time my friends you guys stay 1061 00:39:09,940 --> 00:39:02,660 strange out there